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Greg

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This discussion is now closed as it has grown into a serious task force discussion on Water Management in Australia. Please put future comments on that topic. Already government is adopting suggestions we have made by Votergram
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Greg

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Good proposal worked around by Angus and good input by Margaret on how to seriously manage water needs and environmental ones. My view is that all new dams be only for domestic town water supplies and not in any way to be used for irrigation and that good flows be allowed down rivers at the same time as collecting good amounts of water. In times of torrential rain which often happens inland plenty of water can be collected to be used by townspeople when it does not rain. Farms should collect their own run-off. Politicians will never fix this without voter input, any more than they will develop sensible drought plans. They need our input and support.

Let's make it happen voters!!
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Angus1

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Happy to be involved.
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Barbara1

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Will join in but never know what time I can allocate as will be away next couple of weeks on a break, plus have an ailing 94 year old mother in agedcare down in Melbourne so may be yet another trip there!

We need to make it VERY CLEAR to the politicians that growing HEMP must be substituted for cotton crops.

There needs to be a Royal Commission into this fiasco due to the obvious allocation of some of the tax-payer funds to massive private water storage (eg Cubbie Station over the Qld border) - for cotton cropping etc.
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We are establishing a taskforce on this topic. Please post that you are happy to join and see how many others you can sign up to it. The more people who are involved the easier it will be to have government do what is required.
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Barbara1

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I have just seen Business Insider featuring an article about the benefits of hemp growing- date 9 May 2019 about how Levis have found a way of making hemp feel softer like cotton and are using it to make jeans now.
I have a hemp long-sleeved top (which I just wore yesterday again) and bought it at a country market years ago up the coast. It is till like new and is very warm and comfortable indeed as well as smart - with a polka-dot pattern. 
TIME to promote hemp clothing (and even footwear etc), widely as it is available ! Just did Google search and there is plenty out there!
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Barbara1

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Some countries have achieved AMAZING engineering feats so OUR engineers should be able to do so too!  Such as redirecting river waters to benefit inland regions.  
ALSO we should be mandating that cotton growing be CEASED and replaced with HEMP crops or nothing should be allowed.  Hemp has MULTIPLE uses besides the (much publicised drug) as there is a related much more productive strain for textiles, rope, construction material as well as other items.
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Greg

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I think that politicians are making too many mistakes. What do others think about us voters working on a Plan for Australia. We could just pick the topics that interest us; put our idea forward and then communicate them to politicians in an organised way. Otherwise future generations may not live the Australian dream at all. Many politicians would welcome our input.
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Angus1

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     Allowing the Chinese Govt. to buy up infrastructure like Cubie Station, etc. is in no way looking after the Australian community interest, and one has to ask - why are they (the chinese govt.) doing it ?
     But far worse tha this is the NT govt. decision to lease the Port of Darwin to the chinese govt for 99 years.
     Just hypothetically - if one huge powerful nation saw another nation with a sparsly populated land mass, what would they want to do. Just maybe they would try to buy/lease some important infrastructure that would allow detailed surveilance of this nation and its people. And then some years down the track, they may feel that they can enlarge/enhance/fortify this important infrastructure that they lease, with the long term aim of 'taking over' the sparsly populated country by stealth or even by force. And who would stop them? The USA - I think not.
     Just hypothetically mind !
 
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Greg

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What do people think aboutthe fact that our government allowed Chinese interests to own Cubbie station on thew Balonne River, depleteng the water in the Darling?
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Greg

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Very well said Angus. For starters, what about an absolute ban on anyone pumping water out of inland rivers and putting it into a private dam except for human consumption. Secondly what about restricting irrigation from a river unless the river flow at the pumping point is at or above a certain level (easily done by setting the inlet pipe at that level).

If we fear sea water rising and flooding low lying coastal areas and we have desalination plants why not desalinate some of the ocean water and pump it inland to help reduce the ocean rising and the inland  drying out?
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Angus1

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     It would seem that the extended drought is having one good impact - and that is ensuring our reps. actually start doing something about the murder of our inland waterways.
     Why would our agriculture departments support, encourage and then favour growing cotton in Australia ?  The driest continent on earth.  We do not have the river systems like America or even Egypt to allow the effective and continuing production of cotton. But somehow they are allowed to create huge dams to conserve water for their undertaking. And the irrigator downstream has little or no water !
     With a gigantic ego, Bob Hawke was still able to say 'sorry - I got that wrong' - so why can't our current mob be humble, and get going on fixing this problem.
     In a world that does appear to be warming faster than anyone thought it would, you don't have to be too smart to recognise that WATER will become the worlds most precious product. So we give ours to cotton farmers and let our inland waterways become muddy puddles !
     There is a small clique within the Liberal Party that wants to promote coal, coal and more coal. Yes, we still need coal for quite a few years yet, as renewables work out how to have baseload power, but why can't our reps. start actively thinking more constructivelly about new age solar, off-shore wind farms, tidal power etc. At least get on with Snowy II with more commercial urgency.
     As for harvesting the water we do receive, if pipelines from The Ord river is too hard ; or Bradfield's idea of turning waters that flow into The Gulf of Carpentaria is too hard; then why not take 1 or 2% from East Coast rivers and pump it by staging ponds over the Great Divide and let it flow to the inland rivers. A small amount from The Macleay could flow into The Gwydir : The Clarence to The Macintyre : The Manning to The Namoi : The Shoalhaven to The Lachlan. How hard could that be ? ?
     Depressing isn't it.
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Greg

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How about forming a voters network of "Murray Darling Monitors" to monitor and understand what the government is doing and what the river is doing at different places?
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Greg

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What would you like the government to now do about this water problem?
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Greg

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We have placed this matter firmly on the political agenda and voters are receiving good and informative responses ton their Votergrams. Join in and send you own Votergram on this important matter. Voters can have this fixed by fuelling political action and rating how well MPs do - each month.
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