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Roger2

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Sharon is right. I applaud her especially on her personal comment about dual citizenship. We don't understand daily rural life. It is what is left of the Australia we knew. Tourism compounds the problem. All growth is not good. Politicians need to stand up for Australia and Australian families especially in rural areas. Money doesn't follow the population numbers. It follows big business and the big end of town and mates. Politicians are caught in the election cycle with no medium to long term vision or motivation. Public funds should be used to fund the basic cost of elections with longer terms to get donations out of what is a wasting two party system. Failed politicians should pay the price if they cause an election through pure stupidity.  
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Fair comment Sharon. What do others think? Many in the bush would like decent medical care closer than a day's drive. Many would like better schools and off-farm jobs and sealed roads. That comes with population numbers. Many young Australians could live inland without distrubing the quiet and could buy more afordable homes. There does not always have to be a huge youth leakage to the city. The MIA is full of migrant families and that works well. How could Murray Bridge have been handled better? More views please and thank you Sharon for giving us yours. You may have more to offer and it would be very welcome.
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I think pushing the problem out of the cities, is inflicting your problems on country areas. We (I speak for the rural areas) like our quiet, country life. Putting a people, who do not want to integrate, into a less populated area, and the effects will be felt harder and faster. Also, there is less policing, transport and infrastructure outside of capital cities. If you think the government will give money in accordance with population, you haven’t been paying attention. A prime example is Murray Bridge, a lovely riverside town, popular with tourists, well it used to be, before they brought in mass African immigrants. The town looks awful now. Not touristy at all!

The issue is, Australia can NOT sustain the current population growth. The authorities are too flaccid and unwilling to deal with the issues where they are. Our rainfall isn’t enough to sustain the current population and too many immigrants are relying on our social security system, without ever having contributed.

Personally, I like the probation idea. As well as, no social security unless you have contributed to the economy via tax, exemptions for disabled people born here. Three strikes and you’re out for dual citizens (this would affect me) for violent crimes (those resulting in actual bodily injuries, hurt feelings don’t count). And ban the burka and the niqab, these articles of clothing are contrary to our culture, climate and attitudes to women.
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Greg

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Thanks Angus. The news today represents a big win for Voters Network. We have lobbied long and hard to have the inland developed to relieve prressure on capital cities and neglect of rural and regional communities.  This change will see Australia becoming a truly Global Nation, instead of a nation with a couple of Global Cities.  Like the banking royal commission which will see better banking, this news shows what voters can do in a network with expertise at influencing government and where the voters make the decisions.

 

 

 

 

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Angus1

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There seems to be quite a bit of input on this immigration/population topic, all of which is most interesting.  When I go back to Bruce's excellent entry of 31 May, he has given us a framework on which to build.      Government is very cautious about 'decentralisation' as they cast their minds back to The Whitlam experiment, which had marginal success; but with modern IT there is now no reason why any Head Office which refuses to move, cannot stay in touch with its business.      

May I humbly suggest that Bruce's article of 31 could become the 'template' for future discussion on immigration/population. This will avoid heading off into a number of different loosely related areas. If we can stick to discussion/criticism/amendment on this 'template', then we can come to a resolution much quicker - which is timely, as government is already talking about having new immigrants initially live away from Sydney and Melbourne.

Two points on the 'template'. It would seem that a 5 year mandatory period in a growth centre town be sought.   Why ?  Because after residing in this town/city for 5 years, with an established residence, new friends and children happy at school, the probability is that they would then choose to stay.

The second point is which country areas would be suitable as migrant destinations.  We all think of Albury,  Dubbo, Tamworth, Wagga Wagga etc., but here may be smaller towns with specific needs and demands for specialised technicians/labourers. This may be beyond our capabilities, but certainly some smaller towns would benefit from decentralisation. 
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Greg

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Of course many migrants make a great contribution to Australia, but governments are proving their inability to cope with immigration numbers.

It is not reasonable for Australians to be unable to buy homes because of migrants who bring large amounts of money into Australia and push up prices. I am sure Darija works hard to blend with other Australians, but not all migrants do.

There are many beautiful inland towns and cities where people can live to spread the population, but the government needs to develop them. Politicians do not do this because it is more difficult. Canberra was just a little country town a hundred years ago but governments developed it into the beautiful city it is now. There are probably 100 inland cities that could be developed so that new and old Australians could live well together without causing problems.

It is not unreasonable to ask migrants to lear to speak English asap and to learn and respect our culture and customs. I am sure most migrants do all of those but more government assistanced would help. I do think the population of Sydney and Melbourne should be capped by banning the approval of any more residential buildings and developing our inland cities.
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Darija1

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Reply Roger5

What are you talking about to learn some English I do live in Western Sydney where many migrants live first I am a migrant and took citizenship as soon as I was eligible learned English just to be able to become Australian citizen I’ve been citizen for 20 years I don’t have other passport as you do but was asked on few occasions to get one from the consulate of country I came from but I refused and it was when my parents passed away and was regarding inheritance the same people from consulate refused to help me because I am not citizen of that country any more. But I found way who and how I can get help regarding that matter I didn’t wanted any properties in that country and was helped with a very good solicitor who advised me where I have to go to get signature on my statement for court in this country that I don’t want anything on my name and I gave it to my siblings who still live there. So you say that you still have other passport British for what if you are Australian citizen, and one more thing we as family bought house not to impress anyone but to call it our home to have feeling we belong here and to be honest not to move every six months after contrac for lease is over. I do live in as I say western Sydney on one side next to my house live a Australian young couple who never said to me good morning a did greeted them at beginning but never get a response so I just stop to look at them not only greet them on the other side also young Australian family with kids and my grandkids lived for while with me but little girl told my grandkids she is not allowed to talk to my grandkids because her father told heh not to why? My granddaughters are born Australian and their father is born Australian my family member is not born Australian but how she speaks English no one would know she is not born here only when they learn her name then they realise she is not Australian born. And because not all but many Australian are thinking of migrants that we are rubbish, we speak with accent, we are not educated or we are stupid but we in my family don’t eat McDonalds for dinner we are not on Centrelink payment and we are working very hard to make us valued citizens of Australia. I don’t care about them my neighbours I do have a neighbor who is talking to us and we have good laughs. But what am I trying to tell stop stereotyping people not every migrant is bad person like not every Australian is bigger patriot of this country. And one more thing I am looking to find a job as a volunteer but as soon as I speak over phone to persons I am rejected because it stereotype of Australians thinking of people of different background are less worth then those who are born here or UK.
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Darija1

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As migrant arrived 22 years ago here on permanent visa whole family it is fine we chose Australia to be our new home, but prior to coming to Australia we lived in Sweden for two years and I personally can tell you those two years living in that country were the best years of my life. First we didn’t arrive to Sweden migrants but came to visit family. Later we decided to stay and ask for asylum, despite everything we were welcomed and had all help to adopt in this country. If anyone wants to know something about it I will talk but it is too long story to write it here. Yes we choose Australia because at that time was the only country who offered us permanent visa so after few years we’ve been separated we had chance to live as whole family here in Australia. On the arrival to Sydney airport we were welcomed with people who I suppose are working for Australian government were transported by bus to our destinations, it was a large group of people not only us. It was late night when we arrived to Blacktown and were told this is your flat where you will live for three months. Next day we were called to go on the meeting so we have to go to register, open bank account, go to Centrelink and so on, once we’ve done it we were left for ourselves and because at that time were a lot of people from country we came from and we mainly depended of their help. I do remember how I was feeling like someone dropped you from airplane with parachute and look after yourself the best you can. One of my family member needed medical attention luckily we were close to Blacktown hospital and while there met a lady who was working for government at that time as a translator she happens to be very nice lady and helped us a lot. I will not write about my family any more but as I can see how people are accepted now it is shame because isn’t it enough stressful for them to leave their country to be treated as criminals in the country they think will have better life for themselves. Why our government is looking into American migrant system and use their very bad system to treat people like they are nothing when they (government) can look into other countries system like I said Sweden they have the best system on the Earth to accept migrants to the country, each person working with migrants is well trained and I think very good psychologist and know exactly what to do and how to treat people who arrived to the country all ready under enormous stress so they do everything they can to calm you and tell you that you are safe and don’t need to worry. This is very wrong in Australia when new migrants are accepted, they don’t feel welcomed, they are treated as they are garbage and they don’t belong or deserve to be here. This is so wrong and it needs to be changed ASAP. I think it should be priority for our federal government if they want happy and productive new citizens.
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Roger2

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Look at the supply and demand for housing or more particularly, beds.
Australian population includes temporary (international students and a huge number of other visa holders) and permanent residents in addition obviously to Australian citizens (who are entitled to vote in elections).
On any one night, beds are need for these people as well as tourists. With the huge number of students and tourists, hotels can only accommodate so many. Investors buy units to offer on Airbnb and even hotel groups allocate space for rentals. Homeless people make up a big number too.
So with foreign and local investors leaving properties vacant (at the trophy end of the market as well as profit boxes in the towers, this signficantly reduces the supply available and rents increase. Now we are realising a surplus of units built, rents are lower.
This is not just the 'normal' housing/economic cycle. Conditions are very different as huge funds flow in particularly from China looking for safety and economic return.
Australians want detached freestanding houses for their families but can;t compete with overseas fund pressures even with moderate constraints by Government and still have to struggle to afford a basic living unit. This is not conducive to bringing up Australian children or living as a family. Negative gearing and capital gain reductions exacerbate the financial burden for first Australin home buyers.  Politicians only see their own privileged circumstances and those of their 'big end of town' mates. The Foreign Investment Review Board has been 'asleep at the wheel' and has passed off responsibility for monitoring to the Australian Taxation Office within Treasury. We have to ask the right questions. Agricultural land as well.
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Roger2

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Foreign investors have bought our children's future
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Bruce

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i cannot for the life of me understand why someone even working in a country for a while does not try to speak some of the language, and if you are truly settling in Australia then you would want to learn English would you not?  i believe that if you are not prepared to try to learn and speak English, then you are not serious about being in Australia and making Australia your permanent home.  i actually do not care if people have another passport or not [after all i still have a British passport], and there are sometimes advantages in having a passport to another country [e.g. lack of need for a Visa and hence ease of travel].  i see no objection to people who are NOT YET citizens owning property here if they are resident.  after all buying property shows an indication you intend to stay.  beyond that it gets difficult. should a foreign company be forbidden to buy housing so it can easily move people interstate to work, or to house immigrants hired by them to work in Australia?  i was offered that by one company before i came here and it would have been very handy at the time if i had taken it up.  Both Australian owned and foreign firms did that sort of thing in the 60's and 70's.  i think it was a good thing.  However, allowing foreign nationals to buy property and not living here is overall a bad thing and should be discouraged.  i do know of Australians who buy property in NZ for holidays there, so what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander is it not?  this is an awfully difficult thing to legislate and be fair at the same time.
more restrictions on immigration to keep it at a lower level than currently, and to direct migrants away from the major cities?  yes i am in favour of that -- strongly.  that alone would decrease the pressure on house prices.
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Roger2

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ALL the problems start with increased population caused in the main by increased immigration. Australia needs a POPULATION POLICY. At this point we need to reduce immigration. The Australian Government calls it votes, jobs & growth and leaves the problems of providing services like hospitals, schools, roads, electricty, sewerage, water & gas and HOUSING to the states. This severely affects resident voters in Sydney and Melbourne. It is changing our country adversely and creating disharmony in the so called most successful multicultural country in the world. It would help if migrants could speak some English. Some don't hear, want to hear or understand and communication fails. Smiles cover up all sorts of communication breakdowns.  We want them to be Australian citizens but many choose to retain their passports. It is not a racist or skin colour issue or discrimination. You wouldn't migrate to another country without a working knowledge of the local language would you? Ask the question: Are you an Australian citizen? Many are. Are you a permanent resident? Many are and don't become Australian citizens. Remember, only Australian citizens have the right to vote and influence our future. But now you can do it with money.  Only Australian citizens should be allowed to buy Australian residential real estate. Compare what we do with other countries who look after their citizens and protect their culture and their children's future. Our governments puts everything up for sale to get power and win the next election.
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Bruce

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well I for one agree, even though i think the government may water it down a bit [a lot?].  it would be a start if we can get SOME action.
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Tony

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This is an excellent suggested proposal.  It needs to be put to community action groups. Once agreed apon we need to devise a coordinated action plan to get it put into effect by politicians.
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Greg

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I propose THAT overall planning and development decisions be returned completely to local councils and that each council be required by law to put before residents between 3 and 6 months before each council election a 3 year  plan in numbered point form, each point of which would be adopted if it received more than 75% voter support at the council election and would then be carried out by law without variation until after the following council election. On points that did not receive 75% approval by voters the status quo would remain unaltered until after the next council election.

THAT development expenditure by state and federal governments  be spent 50% on state capitals and coastal cities and 50% on inland regional and rural Australia.

These two proposals would put expenditure back in the hands of voters and push population increases into inland Australia where they are wanted and out of major cities where they are not wanted.

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