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Bruce

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 #31 
as a statement " sending migrants inland doesn't solve the underlying under-investment in infrastructure and urban transport " is quite correct.  there is no one simple solution.  What is needed is an overall strategy of decentralisation.  This means moving businesses [including government businesses] away from the main centres of population [i.e. the capital cities and major employment centres like Newcastle, Wollongong, Geelong etc] to the rural areas.  that strategy would include such things as:-
- incentives to business to move operations to designated centres;
- incentives to newly arrived migrants to live in the designated centres;
- incentives for current Australian residents to live in the designated centres.
- upgraded infrastructures around the designated centres;
- upgraded infrastructures to and from the main centres of population and the designated centres for public and private transport for people and goods] ;
- upgraded communications facilities between the designated centres and the main populated areas;
- upgraded education, medical and social services facilities in the designated centres;

I am sure we could add to this list, but all of the above need the initiatives of our government which will only come about if WE do something about telling our elected representatives that we want it.  Note i kept saying 'designated centres'.  This is so everyone knows which are the places that are going to be improved for living there, and that in itself is an encouragement to go there.
Taking any one of them on its own will not solve our problem.  it has to be part of a strategy.
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Greg

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 #32 
"Migration Council of Australia says sending migrants inland doesn't solve the underlying under-investment in infrastructure and urban transport". Infrastructure is being built in Sydney like you can't believe at massive cost to community members. Do you think extra investment in city infrastructure and urban transport will solve the problem or just attract even more people?
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Pat1

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What do people think about a balance between migration and foreign aid?

Countries that receive foreign aid to help them as a country as well as have their citizens immigrating here in droves is allowing the elite minority in that country to continue mistreating the unfortunate masses without being responsible for its voters while continuing to receive funds. 






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Greg

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I feel that we will not be able to stop immigration completely in a world of shocking conditions for many. It certainly needs to be limited. Inland development can work very well for young Australians who buy cheaper homes, make new friends through activities related to their children and can raise families in a far less stressful and competitive environment where people are not so time poor. Immigration, inland, water, housing, education, jobs are all part of the equation. We need more network members involved in our forums so that we gain a broader perspective on what is needed.
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Greg

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Sharon, pickingup your comment about building infrastructure - rural and regional cities and towns around Australia already have a lot of infrastructure like hospitals, schools, universities, sporting facilities, shoping centres. As more people go there there is greater reason to improve infrastructure. In addition, many need better highways, rail and air access. NBN will allow people in all those places to trade with the world, a huge change from  couple of years ago.
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Greg

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Quite right Bruce. We scheduled this topic to end on September 30th which it will do. I hope Angus will update his excellent summary then we will put forward all the points made and vote on which should be included in the campaign.
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Bruce

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This topic keeps re-occurring.  Time to take some more positive action i think.
We need to come up with a short list of actions we want Government to take that fit in with an overall strategy we want government to take.  we sort of got 1/2 way there a couple of months ago and then somehow we dropped the ball.  let's collect some ideas together, then the hub leaders have a chat and come up with a proposal for the rest of us.
what do the rest of you think?
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Greg

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Wisdom from the new PM. Mr. Morrison said that there are some places that need more people and others that don't. Sydney needs less and about 50 inland cities need more. There are jobs galore in that proposition and when they borrow $1 million less for a home inland, home buyers can afford to earn about $1,000 a week less and still have the same disposable income. When the city is too expensive the wise young people go inland where a traffic jam might last 3 minutes and people are much more friendly. It is a great place for kids to grow up.
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Greg

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Voter backlash is causing the NSW govt to "put the brakes on" according to SMH. Voters should ring their state MPs and tell them that the rail issue is about absurdly high population numbers. Tax incentives and government investments should be made inland, not in Sydney. Otherwise voters should campaign in marginal electorates for candidates who want a ban on any future residential construction in Sydney matched by inland construction equal to or greater than what was to be done in Sydney. That will take plenty of jobs inland.
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Greg

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Roger,  Politicians do get it. They just don't care.

The Planning Department is much to blame. It couldn't plan a child's birthday party. The Peter Principle in Politics is that governments keep incfreasing the population until they exceed the number they have the ability to govern. Look at Sydney rail. The rail and road systems just cannot cope because MPs and bureacrats cannot cope.
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Bruce

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agreed, Sharon, and it can be done.  our biggest employer is government which can play its part by moving parts of the public administration out to what we probably call a rural metropolis, and there are lots of them that can be used.  half the problem is that the civil servants see moving to HQ in the capitals is the way to go to 'be at the centre of things'.  government could run its 'business' perfectly well outside the capital cities.  just think - we moved our government businesses to a rural town called Canberra back in the days before we were born.  all things are possible if you have the will power to do it.  business's would do it with the correct incentives such as tax relief to go there, and tax penalties to stay in the capitals.
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Sharon

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Greg, I think the moving population out will bring infrastructure is back to front... it takes generations before infrastructure starts to appear. I realise it is impractical to put infrastructure in first (think Kevin Costner “if you build it, they will come”) 😂 but THAT is the answer, it’s risky, but that’s how it would have to happen. Worked in Dubai!
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Roger2

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Politicians just don’t get it. Sydney is FULL.

See The Sun-Herald Editorial Sunday 12 August 2018 for a short  review. I question the last statement that “This time tomorrow, there will be another 400 Sydneysiders”. Not true. Maybe 400 new Australians. You have to be careful quoting population/immigration statistics because visa holders including students are counted. They were talking about a ’30-minute city’. Now that has been reduced to the ‘20-minute city’! This is just not going to happen! Planners and politicians are out of touch with the community and have these ideal dreams!

The newspaper mentions that those who cannot afford to live in Sydney are nurses, teachers, police, youth, long-term renters, single & divorced people who have all been frozen out of the housing market. That is a huge number of resident voters.  The incessant flow of people is madness and is destroying our way of life and our environment. Sydney is quoted (SMH 28 July 2018) as gaining 84,700 people from overseas migration in the year ended June 2017.  That is over 230 every single day! No wonder housing prices have gone up and infrastructure is stretched beyond capacity.  The simple answer is to STOP immigration but no one will do that, so we must reduce immigration to a previous level of about 80,000 per year if that. Note: Sydney absorbs over 200 people every single day. That is the madness we have to stop.  This is where our problems such as school, transport, housing and road overcrowding starts. Then there is the environment.

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Bruce

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 #44 
I think we have two issues evolving here.  One is the development of our country areas away from the capital cities, and this means country towns.  The other is the immigration issue and how many people can Australia support and sustain.  They are surely interrelated, but to get anywhere in persuading politicians to do what we want I think we have to treat them separately.
So, as this forum started out by talking about immigration, lets keep it on immigration and what we want to do about it.  By all means use populating rural areas as an argument for or against it, but i think we need a separate forum on decentralisation. 
What do others think?
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Roger2

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 #45 
Let's focus on the basics for life - water, food, health, education and safety of our children. In Australia because of our isolation and size we need to act in a sustainable way and look after our land and our people. These hould be the priorities. You have to ask what it means to be an Australian if you want to live in Australia - fairgo, equity, opportunity and freedom. This country was founded by pioneers and fought for by tens of thousands of men and women commemorated on Anzac Day with our New Zealand cousins. NEVER forget that.
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