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Arian3

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The issue is that minors should have a parent, guardian or advocate with them. Why isn't that happening, no-one is above the law, including police!
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Malcolm1

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It is important to understand that strip-searches do not mean that the stated number of persons were all forced to strip completely naked. As I understanding it, this category of search includes even the partial removal of some clothing. Searches are not random and are only done on actual suspicion of drug presence. The media have created a distorted impression of what police do in a professional manner, using officers of the same sex as the person being searched.  While actual drugs were found in a minority of searches, that does not mean the scent of drugs was not there.  The sniffer dogs are pretty accurate. I wonder if those who are protesting the loudest have the most to hide. I do not support this campaign.
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Barbara1

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No need for forcing females to be naked when they can at least retain their underwear (which generally cannot hide much ). A female police officer can politely request to view or touch at edges of a bra just to validate there are no small objects (pills) being hidden there.


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Hughena1

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When I hear about 14 year old girls being strip searched for drugs unfortunately I realise that there are 14 year old girls who are on drugs. Strip searching should be done with officers of same sex involved in the procedure. Media has reported that sniffer dogs do get the indication of drugs wrong many times. To get parents to be in attendance would often be an orrenous task, with too much time lapse for attendance. Video footage should be available for such a search. But on other hand is this going to be used incorrectly. If a parent feels a youth is old enough to attend an event there must be responsibility for the youths behaviour which has been handed in these cases to a minor.
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Bruce

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regarding manslaughter if anyone is found guilty of feeding another person an illegal drug, then yes, I agree.  if you accidentally kill someone through bad driving you can be convicted of manslaughter, then why not feeding someone an illegal drug,  whether an accidental overdose or deliberately to achieve some other end.
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Bruce

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If sniffer dogs are as well trained at detecting drugs as the publicity would have us believe, then would not such a dog suffice?  presumably it would be able to detect whether the drugs are on the person or in a carried box, handbag, wallet or whatever.  if they are held in underclothes then they would be detected without the need for complete nakedness.  And why are we only concerned about females?  it can be just as traumatic for a male when the opposite sex is present if forced to strip naked.
i don't actually believe this is a deliberate intimidation of women;  that is just what the publicity is making us believe.  Somehow we are more sensitive to this happening to females because of a history of men's violence against women.  My belief is that there is always a female official presence, and they would not countenance this if it were targeting females alone.
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Greg

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My preference is for very substantial penalties for importers, manufacturers, distributors and holders of commercial quantities of illegal drugs eg $10m + 10 years gaol. Women and girls targeted at music festivals are legally innocent until convicted and the vast majority are proved by the strip search to be totally innocent. This is male politically generated intimidation of women and girls in my view and totally unacceptable.

If this campaign is not supported  by a reasonable number of voters it will not proceed. If it is supported by enough we will stop this practice dead in its tracks. I have already sent a Votergram into NSW parliament condemning the Police Minister's support for stripping girls and women naked and sought his removal.
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Greg

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Aim of this campaign is to make it illegal for Police or anyone else to force any person to attending a music festival to strip naked in a search for drugs. 
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Greg

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Thanks to campaigners. Congratulations to MPs who are moving towards laws that require a positive action to substantiate consent to sex rather than the disgraceful "she did not object" which just makes a fortune in fees for lawyers and is often a lie itself.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse, even by the law itself. let's see Police who made children and women strip illegally be promptly prosecuted and gaoled. MPs who allowed this perversion of justice ought to be replaced at future elections. 
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Greg

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Do you think it reasonable that two 141y.o. boys who raped a 14 y.o. girl after getting her drunk, should only receive 3 year gaol sentences? I am not sure about "gaol" but think 3 years is far to short when she lives with the trauma for life. What would you think of rapists paying compensation to their victim assessed at say 25% of their income ( or any other %) for their lifetime (not hers lest they kill her). A student writing in The Sydney Herald today suggested gaol sentences which applied at night but let the (non-violent) prisoner out during the day to work or study. Sounded wise to me. Weekend detention also has a sobering effect.
We just encourage rape with light sentences. Compensation would seem an effective tool. The female's life is impacted in a way that cannot be undone. Her ability to study, work and enjoy life is usually seriously impaired. It seems fair that the rapist (not the taxpayers generally) should compensate her. It could be done via the ATO or Office of State Revenue.

Your thoughts please.
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Greg

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We only raised  a third ($660) of what we wanted ($2000) by crowd funding to persuade politicians to take more preventive action against this violence. Shows how little the community cares. But it does not matter so much. Numbers of voters have donated and others have managed to send persuasive Votergrams to politicians all around Australia.
What we have to be careful of is the government-funded  industry that is growing up around looking after the victims. That is essential, but when people are paid to do that, we need to ensure that the fact that jobs would disappear if the violence did, does not help to perpetuate it.
That was the problem we found with road safety. So many people were making money out of road crashes that they did not want to cut the road toll. Whereas FairGO's "Roadwatch" campaign dropped the death rate by 75%, it has not fallen at all but has in fact risen, since FairGO stopped that campaign due to lack of voter support. Everything is up to voters. What voters want voters get.
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Roger2

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Please refer to children as children and NOT kids!
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Greg

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Our crowd funding has produced $660 in its first week, one third of what we seek. Please dig in deep. It is not reasonable that women, children and some men suffer violence on a regular basis . It is the kids who suffer most and that carries for generations.

Roger, not sure what you mean so give us a bit more detail.
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Roger2

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Thanks but I was hoping to get more than the TOP TWO RESULTS.
This is for a potential new member and needs to be easy to access.
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Greg

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To see the voter-approved solutions for preventing this violence please join (free)/ login then go to the proposals/results page.  https://voters.network/proposed_RESULTS.php
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